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	<title>Kommentare zu: Fedora 12 LXDE Spin available for download</title>
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		<title>Von: manfred</title>
		<link>http://www.christoph-wickert.de/blog/2009/12/03/fedora-12-lxde-spin-available-for-download/comment-page-1/#comment-6907</link>
		<dc:creator>manfred</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Jan 2010 14:56:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for your great work. lxde runs much better on me netbook (eeep1005)

thanks again

manfred</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for your great work. lxde runs much better on me netbook (eeep1005)</p>
<p>thanks again</p>
<p>manfred</p>
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		<title>Von: Christoph</title>
		<link>http://www.christoph-wickert.de/blog/2009/12/03/fedora-12-lxde-spin-available-for-download/comment-page-1/#comment-6656</link>
		<dc:creator>Christoph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Dec 2009 12:29:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for your feedback, Vince.

For me midori works quite nice, the only problem I have is that the openjdk plugin currently is not supported (this was the reason to leave it out for now). The midori development is very fast and I am optimistic that it will be fully usable by F13. If not, I might consider switching to Firefox, although I don&#039;t really like this idea.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for your feedback, Vince.</p>
<p>For me midori works quite nice, the only problem I have is that the openjdk plugin currently is not supported (this was the reason to leave it out for now). The midori development is very fast and I am optimistic that it will be fully usable by F13. If not, I might consider switching to Firefox, although I don&#8217;t really like this idea.</p>
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		<title>Von: Vince Schiavoni</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vince Schiavoni</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Dec 2009 01:11:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello Christoph and All:

First: many thanks to Christoph and the Fedora Project team for the LXDE spin. F12-LXDE.i686 is installed and working well on a VM here. Haven&#039;t yet gotten around to testing on &quot;hard iron&quot;. I&#039;ve tried not to goof too much with the default package suite and setup, in order to assess the spin objectively and fairly as it is presented.

A couple small niggles/suggestions:
&gt; The default web browser is now (F12) Midori. If Midori matures well before F13, it would indeed be a suitable alternative for FireFox et al, considering it&#039;s (presumed) lighter footprint/resource consumption. However, I found the current version to be almost unusable, and ended up installing another (Opera, as it turns out, but that&#039;s just my personal choice, I realize Opera cannot be used in an &quot;official&quot; spin).
&gt; I realize that keeping the ISO small is a priority, but the exclusion of OpenJDK and matching browser plug-in was a surprise. I would suggest inclusion of these in future.

These are very minor issues, and (for me) easily rectified. Overall: I continue to be highly impressed with Fedora LXDE spin, and it will remain my preferred choice for VMs and older hardware.

Thanks Again and Best Regards,
And Happy Holidays!
VJS</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello Christoph and All:</p>
<p>First: many thanks to Christoph and the Fedora Project team for the LXDE spin. F12-LXDE.i686 is installed and working well on a VM here. Haven&#8217;t yet gotten around to testing on &#8220;hard iron&#8221;. I&#8217;ve tried not to goof too much with the default package suite and setup, in order to assess the spin objectively and fairly as it is presented.</p>
<p>A couple small niggles/suggestions:<br />
&gt; The default web browser is now (F12) Midori. If Midori matures well before F13, it would indeed be a suitable alternative for FireFox et al, considering it&#8217;s (presumed) lighter footprint/resource consumption. However, I found the current version to be almost unusable, and ended up installing another (Opera, as it turns out, but that&#8217;s just my personal choice, I realize Opera cannot be used in an &#8220;official&#8221; spin).<br />
&gt; I realize that keeping the ISO small is a priority, but the exclusion of OpenJDK and matching browser plug-in was a surprise. I would suggest inclusion of these in future.</p>
<p>These are very minor issues, and (for me) easily rectified. Overall: I continue to be highly impressed with Fedora LXDE spin, and it will remain my preferred choice for VMs and older hardware.</p>
<p>Thanks Again and Best Regards,<br />
And Happy Holidays!<br />
VJS</p>
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		<title>Von: Mario Behling</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mario Behling</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Dec 2009 11:21:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Late, but never too late, I would like to say thank you for the best birthday present for me on this day. The distro is working very well on my netbook!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Late, but never too late, I would like to say thank you for the best birthday present for me on this day. The distro is working very well on my netbook!</p>
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		<title>Von: Christoph</title>
		<link>http://www.christoph-wickert.de/blog/2009/12/03/fedora-12-lxde-spin-available-for-download/comment-page-1/#comment-6631</link>
		<dc:creator>Christoph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Dec 2009 22:08:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Srinivas,

a blog is definitely not a good place to ask for support. You should use a place like the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.fedoraforum.org/&quot;&gt;FedoraForum&lt;/a&gt;, the &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list&quot;&gt;Fedora mailing list&lt;/a&gt; or &lt;a href=&quot;irc://irc.freenode.net/fedora&quot;&gt;#fedora&lt;/a&gt; on IRC. Maybe there even is &lt;a href=&quot;https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate#International_Lists&quot;&gt;a localized version for you&lt;/a&gt;. You will reach a much wider audience than in my blog and it is much more likely to find someone who can help you.

When you ask a question, please provide the necessary details that people need in order to help you. What does &quot;not booting up&quot; mean? When does the server stop to boot? Do you see any error messages and if what are they? I don&#039;t think you need to reinstall your server, but of course we need more details in order to help you.

Regards,
Christoph</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Srinivas,</p>
<p>a blog is definitely not a good place to ask for support. You should use a place like the <a href="http://www.fedoraforum.org/">FedoraForum</a>, the <a href="https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list">Fedora mailing list</a> or <a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/fedora">#fedora</a> on IRC. Maybe there even is <a href="https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate#International_Lists">a localized version for you</a>. You will reach a much wider audience than in my blog and it is much more likely to find someone who can help you.</p>
<p>When you ask a question, please provide the necessary details that people need in order to help you. What does &#8220;not booting up&#8221; mean? When does the server stop to boot? Do you see any error messages and if what are they? I don&#8217;t think you need to reinstall your server, but of course we need more details in order to help you.</p>
<p>Regards,<br />
Christoph</p>
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		<title>Von: srinivas</title>
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		<dc:creator>srinivas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Dec 2009 08:46:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hi guys plz help me 

i have a fedora 11 server and its not booting up

how to repair or rebuild the os without data loss 

plz help me guys and my mail id is cnus01@gmail.com

thanks 
srinivas</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hi guys plz help me </p>
<p>i have a fedora 11 server and its not booting up</p>
<p>how to repair or rebuild the os without data loss </p>
<p>plz help me guys and my mail id is <a href="mailto:cnus01@gmail.com">cnus01@gmail.com</a></p>
<p>thanks<br />
srinivas</p>
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		<title>Von: LXDE</title>
		<link>http://www.christoph-wickert.de/blog/2009/12/03/fedora-12-lxde-spin-available-for-download/comment-page-1/#comment-6599</link>
		<dc:creator>LXDE</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Dec 2009 00:48:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;HUGE success of the Fedora 12 LXDE Spin...&lt;/strong&gt;

The Fedora 12 LXDE spin turns out to be a huge success. It only took us 8 days to become number #2 in the most popular Fedora Spins, although the other spins were released two weeks before LXDE. As I&#8217;m writing this post, we had more than 2500 com...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>HUGE success of the Fedora 12 LXDE Spin&#8230;</strong></p>
<p>The Fedora 12 LXDE spin turns out to be a huge success. It only took us 8 days to become number #2 in the most popular Fedora Spins, although the other spins were released two weeks before LXDE. As I&#8217;m writing this post, we had more than 2500 com&#8230;</p>
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		<title>Von: Christoph</title>
		<link>http://www.christoph-wickert.de/blog/2009/12/03/fedora-12-lxde-spin-available-for-download/comment-page-1/#comment-6567</link>
		<dc:creator>Christoph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Dec 2009 21:51:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First of all you need to understand that a spin is just a flavor of Fedora, but not a distro of it&#039;s own. This means that we have to use stock Fedora packages without any changes. If modifications are done, they are done in the livecd initscript, so the installed packages can still be verified by rpm.

This means, that if you want compcache support in the installer, you have to file a bug against anaconda in &lt;a href=&quot;https://bugzilla.redhat.com/&quot;&gt;Red Hat&#039;s bugzilla&lt;/a&gt;. Nice idea actually, but I cannot do such far reaching change in the spin (and wouldn&#039;t even make sense to do it because the feature is not spin specific)

When you do a text install, then the installer skips a few steps (as documented in the F11 release notes) and assumes you don&#039;t have X available. Therefor it only boots into runlevel 3.

Regarding you last question: What difference does it make? All bugs belong into Bugzilla, no matter if it&#039;s a Fedora, LXDE or spin only issue. Support happens through &lt;a href=&quot;http://spins.fedoraproject.org/lxde/#support&quot;&gt;the usual channels&lt;/a&gt;. Of course you need to decide whether to contact Fedora or LXDE, but you will need to make this decision with every problem you have, no matter what package.

Last but not least: If you are really spare on RAM, do an minimal install from DVD or netinstall with a custom package set and LXDE. You wont get the applications I chose for the spin, but this might explain why your scenario is not the target audience of the spin: People with &lt;em&gt;really&lt;/em&gt; limited hardware will do a custom install anyway because they might not even want this or that app from the spin.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First of all you need to understand that a spin is just a flavor of Fedora, but not a distro of it&#8217;s own. This means that we have to use stock Fedora packages without any changes. If modifications are done, they are done in the livecd initscript, so the installed packages can still be verified by rpm.</p>
<p>This means, that if you want compcache support in the installer, you have to file a bug against anaconda in <a href="https://bugzilla.redhat.com/">Red Hat&#8217;s bugzilla</a>. Nice idea actually, but I cannot do such far reaching change in the spin (and wouldn&#8217;t even make sense to do it because the feature is not spin specific)</p>
<p>When you do a text install, then the installer skips a few steps (as documented in the F11 release notes) and assumes you don&#8217;t have X available. Therefor it only boots into runlevel 3.</p>
<p>Regarding you last question: What difference does it make? All bugs belong into Bugzilla, no matter if it&#8217;s a Fedora, LXDE or spin only issue. Support happens through <a href="http://spins.fedoraproject.org/lxde/#support">the usual channels</a>. Of course you need to decide whether to contact Fedora or LXDE, but you will need to make this decision with every problem you have, no matter what package.</p>
<p>Last but not least: If you are really spare on RAM, do an minimal install from DVD or netinstall with a custom package set and LXDE. You wont get the applications I chose for the spin, but this might explain why your scenario is not the target audience of the spin: People with <em>really</em> limited hardware will do a custom install anyway because they might not even want this or that app from the spin.</p>
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		<title>Von: FameWolf</title>
		<link>http://www.christoph-wickert.de/blog/2009/12/03/fedora-12-lxde-spin-available-for-download/comment-page-1/#comment-6566</link>
		<dc:creator>FameWolf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Dec 2009 20:47:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why does the spin not use compcache to lower memory requirements of at least the installer?  Attempted a install with 256mb in virtualbox...gui won&#039;t work.....ran the installer manually as root in text but it seems several of the steps the gui does get left out....the text based install didn&#039;t boot into slim...just to shell prompt.  Fedora lxde doesn&#039;t have it&#039;s own forum?  You have to guess whether something is a fedora or a lxde or just a spin issue?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why does the spin not use compcache to lower memory requirements of at least the installer?  Attempted a install with 256mb in virtualbox&#8230;gui won&#8217;t work&#8230;..ran the installer manually as root in text but it seems several of the steps the gui does get left out&#8230;.the text based install didn&#8217;t boot into slim&#8230;just to shell prompt.  Fedora lxde doesn&#8217;t have it&#8217;s own forum?  You have to guess whether something is a fedora or a lxde or just a spin issue?</p>
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		<title>Von: Christoph</title>
		<link>http://www.christoph-wickert.de/blog/2009/12/03/fedora-12-lxde-spin-available-for-download/comment-page-1/#comment-6565</link>
		<dc:creator>Christoph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Dec 2009 16:54:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Es gelten die gleichen &lt;a href=&quot;http://docs.fedoraproject.org/release-notes/f12/en-US/html/index.html#sect-Release_Notes-Hardware_Requirements&quot;&gt;Systemvorraussetzungen wie f&#252;r ein normales Fedora&lt;/a&gt;, da diese durch den Installer festgelegt werden und nicht durch LXDE. 192 MB sind das Minimum, weniger macht das Setup nicht mit und auch das ist schon sehr knapp, da bei der Installation von der Live-CD ja noch das Livesystem l&#228;uft.
Wenn es hart auf hart kommt, lieber von der Installations-DVD oder der Netinstall-CD installieren, bei unterst&#252;tzter Netzwerkkarte kannst Du LXDE gleich aus den Fedora Paketrepositories installieren. 
256 MB sind empfehlenswert und damit kann man nach der Installation auch gut arbeiten.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Es gelten die gleichen <a href="http://docs.fedoraproject.org/release-notes/f12/en-US/html/index.html#sect-Release_Notes-Hardware_Requirements">Systemvorraussetzungen wie f&#252;r ein normales Fedora</a>, da diese durch den Installer festgelegt werden und nicht durch LXDE. 192 MB sind das Minimum, weniger macht das Setup nicht mit und auch das ist schon sehr knapp, da bei der Installation von der Live-CD ja noch das Livesystem l&#228;uft.<br />
Wenn es hart auf hart kommt, lieber von der Installations-DVD oder der Netinstall-CD installieren, bei unterst&#252;tzter Netzwerkkarte kannst Du LXDE gleich aus den Fedora Paketrepositories installieren.<br />
256 MB sind empfehlenswert und damit kann man nach der Installation auch gut arbeiten.</p>
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